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identiti66
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Hi all.. sorry if this makes no sense but I'm clueless.
I have a completely knackered elbow and need to immobilise it and then protect it from the rigours of mountain biking.
Have kind of worked out making the mould but laying the carbon fibre (or similar) is way out of my scope.
It needs to be impact and abrasion resistant.
From a quick read, perhaps a few layers of Diolen with Carbon top layers? Help keep the cost sensible.
I'll probably line it with either sheepskin or foam
Is that enough to get started?
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Well aramid fabrics like kevlar and diolen are impact and abrasion resistant. Not as stiff as carbon fibre, so if you need a very rigid part then you might use some carbon fibre in the layup as well. Exactly how much protection do you need? Are you looking to be able to come off your bike at speed and land elbow-first into a pile of rocks, or do you just need something to protect your elbow from tree branches and perhaps handle a fall but nothing too extreme?
If you're looking to make something that is going to give you really good protection, I would be using mostly kevlar, ie. 2 layers of 240gsm, 3 layers of 400gsm, 2 layers of 240gsm. All layed at +/- 0/45/90 degrees to the previous layer. Diolen is a bit softer, so if looks aren't a factor then I'd probably leave it out, maybe just paint the final product. It's hard to say exactly how many layers you should use without knowing your exact requirements, but really your layup is totally up to you and what you want, you could throw in a layer of carbon in there to stiffen it up, you could put a layer of diolen on each side for looks/abrasion resistance, you could do more layers to make it stronger, you could do less layers if it's not too necessary. You could even do a layer of hybrid carbon/kevlar, which will give you some of the advantages of each. What is important for impact resistance is that you orientate the fibres in as many directions as possible.
So in terms of material, kevlar is probably your best bet. Cutting it is a nightmare if you don't have the tools, but if impact and abrasion resistance are the priorities... Carbon to stiffen the thing up if needed, but it isn't good with impact resistance so don't make it your outer layer or use too much of it unless it's carbon/kevlar. One layer of pure carbon fibre in the middle of the layup would be fine. In terms of how to make it, I think vacuum bag it at a minimum, infusion as the best solution. If you don't really have the equipment for proper vacuum bagging or infusion, when I first started I used to just use the vacuum pack clothing bags and a vacuum cleaner. Worked ok, better than simple wet-lay for sure.
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Gotta make me some body armour
identiti66
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11 Years Ago
Why not kevlar with a diolen outer layer? If you're after black that is. Both kevlar and diolen are...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
That's the kind of info I need.. best options for material and then how to get the thing made. End...
identiti66
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11 Years Ago
Well aramid fabrics like kevlar and diolen are impact and abrasion resistant. Not as stiff as carbon...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
Thanks for that.. plenty of good stuff to think about.. :cool: I need to be able to come off, at...
identiti66
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11 Years Ago
Slightly off topic, but noticed the comment above about cutting Kevlar - I am having exactly that...
macgtech
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]macgtech (31/03/2014)[/b][hr]Slightly off topic, but noticed the comment above about...
carbonfibreworks
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11 Years Ago
I made a lower leg support for a client, one layer of 200g carbon then two layers of Kevlar another...
carbonfibreworks
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11 Years Ago
Wow that looks really nice.. and cool too.. Got a rough sketch, it needs to be super strong along...
identiti66
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11 Years Ago
If it doesn't need to be strong along it's circumference then you could use a couple layers of...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
As mentioned Kevlar can be a pain to cut. You really need a good pair of Kevlar shears as Chris...
wozza
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11 Years Ago
Thanks chaps.. sounds like good, solid advice. I figured that the internal foam padding would be...
identiti66
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]identiti66 (03/04/2014)[/b][hr]Thanks chaps.. sounds like good, solid advice. I figured...
wozza
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11 Years Ago
Just to add my 2p to the convo, have you considered the risk of immobilising your elbow? By...
ajb100
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]ajb100 (03/04/2014)[/b][hr]Just to add my 2p to the convo, have you considered the risk of...
identiti66
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11 Years Ago
Like others have said if you make it too rigid and solid the loads will simply be transferred...
tack talk
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]tack talk (04/04/2014)[/b][hr]Like others have said if you make it too rigid and solid the...
wozza
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11 Years Ago
" To crush a honeycomb core between cf skins would require a very big impact. If you have hit...
tack talk
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11 Years Ago
guys.. sorry I've been away from this for a while, the universe conspired against me. Had a bit of...
identiti66
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11 Years Ago
Hi everyone, I don't know if it's considered good or bad practice to dig up old threads, but I'm doing it, as this one is relevant. Of course, if it's bad practice, then please say so, and I'll chang...
romdj
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5 Years Ago
Just found the thermoplastic :) Now I really need the lining / HD foam
romdj
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5 Years Ago
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