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Massimiliano
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Hi, was wondering who of you use an ultrasonic leak finder.
Can you share your advice on its usefulness?
Brand/model?
Thanks!
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I agree with everything said here about process - and the digital gauge will tell you a lot - especially about when you finally find the leak! Generally this level of awesome bagging is an infusion or pre-preg (especially autoclave) thing - where leaks are more catastrophic. Random note: probably half the hardest to locate leaks I have ever found in infusion bags are from cut edges of the flow mesh poking through the bag. Plumbing and quick-connect fittings are a usual suspect too.
My experience is that a leak detector / ultrasonic listening probe is a last resort... when you still can't find what is up - your drop test isn't good enough - and you have chased the bag edges down and checked all the penetrations. Probably people making airplanes use one every day but as a boatbuilder it's been only a special occasion tool. I have a beat up old Amprobe one with the earphones which is just a super-sensitive version of putting your ear to the bag - not a magic wand! It is way easier to use one with earphones than just the LED lights. Good over-the-ear earphones are very nice too.
Using one is super annoying if you have a large or complex bag and sometimes you find the leak easily and sometimes you have to go back and re-bag the part anyway. Moving and crinkling the bag is really noisy and small leaks are only easy to hear once you get very close. Finding a leak in the middle of a huge bag is hard - finding one in the sealant tape or in plumbing is easier.
I've heard about using a thermal camera to find leaks but haven't done it - I guess they show up cold. Anybody do this before?
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Ultrasonic leak finder - anyone?
mporta71
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5 Years Ago
I assume no one is using it? 🤔
mporta71
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5 Years Ago
Did you try digital absolute vacuum gauge? I find it really useful and over time it actually teaches you what kind of leak equates to different looses in vacuum. Now i get sub 10mbar every time (sub...
beliblisk
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5 Years Ago
I do prefer a digital gauge over a leak finder, too. If you are careful with your bag the leak is always at the sealing tape. And a digital gauge helps finding them a lot quicker and much more...
oekmont
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5 Years Ago
Thank you all for the replies. I do have a digital gauge, but still not have enough experience to match the vacuum loss to a specific issue...
mporta71
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5 Years Ago
Just be methodical. Hers few tips: -Clean working space helps (i vacuum my small workshop befor applying vacuum bag) -i apply perimiter seal tape prior to anything else so it seats on clean...
beliblisk
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5 Years Ago
I agree with everything said here about process - and the digital gauge will tell you a lot - especially about when you finally find the leak! Generally this level of awesome bagging is an infusion o...
explorecomposites
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5 Years Ago
Good tips above, but just to add one: Put a lot of effort into pressing down your bagging tape. I think until you realise how tiny a leak has to be to cause problems, you won't realise how much...
Hanaldo
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5 Years Ago
Thank you all for the usual diamonds I receive from you! I will put more attention to the digital gauge. I made an infusion last week and despite pressing the seal many times I was not able to pass.....
mporta71
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5 Years Ago
Hanaldo, any particular brands/grades of bagging tape you particularly recommend using or avoiding? Dave
Sustainablecatamarandesign
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5 Years Ago
There's so many, I've barely scratched the surface. But, I wouldn't use Airtech AT200Y or GS-333T again. Just awful. My absolute favourite is Cytec (now Solvay) LTS90B. The stuff Easy Composites sel...
Hanaldo
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5 Years Ago
Thanks Hanaldo, being new to resin infusions I've been going through a really steep learning curve and had difficulty eliminating leaks I couldn't hear (pretty easily down to 30-60 millibar with a 6....
Sustainablecatamarandesign
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5 Years Ago
Bagging tape definitely has an expiration date, it gets less tacky as it gets older. This is one reason I like the Cytec and Easy Composites tapes so much - they start off very tacky, which means tha...
Hanaldo
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5 Years Ago
On the tacky tape thing - one tool that I really like is an aluminum roller with a handle and smooth radiused edges for rolling over the tape and pressing it down. You can make holes in the bag if yo...
explorecomposites
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5 Years Ago
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