Brake cooling duct fabrication question


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Hello all, Im new to the forum and new to making composite parts. I have made a couple of splitter vents for a race car of mine and now am working on brake cooling ducts for the front air dam. 

My question is how to lay up the carbon fiber to ensure a reasonable release from the mold. It currently looks like this:




I was thinking I could lay it up (after sanding and smoothing of course), as is, vacuum bag it, and essentially make it as one piece. But as I read a couple of other posts on this forum I started to second guess myself. Any suggestions from the collective?

Thanks in advance!

  
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Looks great and no doubt you'll have learned a lot from the experience that'll stand you in good stead when making more

As mentioned previously, if you're building-up a mould from scratch, rather than looking to create one from your existing part in the usual way, it'd likely be best to give it a fibre-glass skin on top of any foam base. This should, hopefully, help everything hold together better when de-moulding.

That said, de-moulding from a new mould can require some force, so weaknesses such as a relatively 'soft' surface coat or layers of filler underneath can be prone to breakage, even if quite thinly coated on a firm grp base

. If you're looking to make a few more, then it might be worth creating a traditional gel coat/grp or epoxy mould, which should prove a lot more reliable.
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MarkMK - 11/28/2019 8:46:03 AM
Looks great and no doubt you'll have learned a lot from the experience that'll stand you in good stead when making more

As mentioned previously, if you're building-up a mould from scratch, rather than looking to create one from your existing part in the usual way, it'd likely be best to give it a fibre-glass skin on top of any foam base. This should, hopefully, help everything hold together better when de-moulding.

That said, de-moulding from a new mould can require some force, so weaknesses such as a relatively 'soft' surface coat or layers of filler underneath can be prone to breakage, even if quite thinly coated on a firm grp base

. If you're looking to make a few more, then it might be worth creating a traditional gel coat/grp or epoxy mould, which should prove a lot more reliable.

Yeah, I should have done the fiberglass as mentioned earlier in the thread. No doubt that will be part of the plan on the next one.

I think I hesitated to make the mold in a traditional way (gel coat, fiberglass) because I wasnt sure how it would work to have just a hollow mold. As I type this I'm realizing there is no reason why it wouldnt work.

Maybe that will be my next try!

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AlpineCoupe - 11/28/2019 9:19:39 PM
MarkMK - 11/28/2019 8:46:03 AM
Looks great and no doubt you'll have learned a lot from the experience that'll stand you in good stead when making more

As mentioned previously, if you're building-up a mould from scratch, rather than looking to create one from your existing part in the usual way, it'd likely be best to give it a fibre-glass skin on top of any foam base. This should, hopefully, help everything hold together better when de-moulding.

That said, de-moulding from a new mould can require some force, so weaknesses such as a relatively 'soft' surface coat or layers of filler underneath can be prone to breakage, even if quite thinly coated on a firm grp base

. If you're looking to make a few more, then it might be worth creating a traditional gel coat/grp or epoxy mould, which should prove a lot more reliable.

Yeah, I should have done the fiberglass as mentioned earlier in the thread. No doubt that will be part of the plan on the next one.

I think I hesitated to make the mold in a traditional way (gel coat, fiberglass) because I wasnt sure how it would work to have just a hollow mold. As I type this I'm realizing there is no reason why it wouldnt work.

Maybe that will be my next try!

Just bumping this back up because I made another mold of the part, this time using the more traditional gel coat and fiber glass approach. Hope to get some carbon fiber laid up on it this week. 


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             Thank you, that's very helpful!
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             Thanks! That's a good suggestion!
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