Questions on eb700 tooling board


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So far having bad luck with high temp tooling. Mostly issues with post curing off the plug causing surgace issues. Anyway, out of fruatration im ready to just machine some solid molds. The price isn't all that bad considering what I've spent so far on high temp surface coat and epoxy. 
So I watched the video on this tooling board and it says it's great for master patterns and can be used directly as a mold for "small" production runs and prototyping. What exactly does this mean? I'd like to mill a mold directly into this stuff and get some decent use out of it. Will it not last long with repetitive use? How many pulls will I get and what happens when I get beyond that point? Will it be ok for maybe 50 parts or so? Maybe recondition with more s120 at that point? 
I'm also finding it very difficult to get a pinhole free surface in prepreg with vacuum bagging. Also not really happy with the wrinkles on the inside of the part. Needs to have a not so horrible surface in there. I'd like to solve both these problems with either a custom bladder or expanding silicone, but I'm not sure what this tooling board will hold up to. It will be a 2 peice mold, similar shape to football, each half milled out of solid block of tooling board with minimum wall thickness around 25mm. Will the mold hold up to some decent pressure? Nothing crazy, maybe 25 psi, just need a bit more than what you get with vacuum. 
I realize my other option is to mill a plug from the tooling board and that would solve my problem of post curing mold off the plug since the tooling board can handle the post cure, but I would still prefer to skip all that mess and mill a mold directly since I know nothing can really go wrong. Less work and no dealing with surface coat and lay up. 
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why not CNC mill it out of Aluminium then? would solve all the possible problems for multiple pulls compared to the tooling block. 
An other way you could try is use the tooling block and use the Hight temp gelcoat and high temp epoxy resin to make the mould. 
About the wrinkles on the back. You could try it with peelply on the back of the prepreg but it's not recommended as it will take some of the resin 
in the prepreg, that is needed for a pinhole finish. 

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Matthieu Libeert - 3/6/2019 1:13:13 PM
why not CNC mill it out of Aluminium then? would solve all the possible problems for multiple pulls compared to the tooling block. 
An other way you could try is use the tooling block and use the Hight temp gelcoat and high temp epoxy resin to make the mould. 
About the wrinkles on the back. You could try it with peelply on the back of the prepreg but it's not recommended as it will take some of the resin 
in the prepreg, that is needed for a pinhole finish. 

At this point I'm seriously considering aluminum. I was about to order the tooling board and tooling  prepreg, plus other needed things, board adhesive, s120 sealer, etc. I was up to almost 800 dollars shipped so put a hold on that. Originally I thought it was gonna be over a thousand dollars to do aluminum but I must have calculated wrong, it's only about 650 shipped, so at this point I'm leaning toward the nice aluminum molds. My only concern is the weight. Need to model the molds to see what it is, but the rough stock is almost 100kg. Most of that will turn into chips. I think I can get the molds down to 30kg or so but that's still a ton of mass to be heating up in the oven. Still would be so sweet to just mill these molds out of aluminum. My boom molds came out so perfect and I'm sure they will last forever. Aluminum molds will also open up possibility for bladder or expanding silicone

Yeah after thinking about it aluminum is really gonna make the most sense with the machining capability I have. Also after thinking about it, because of the roundish shape of the mold, 10 or 15mm wall will make a very strong mpld capable of pressure do more like 15kg final mold weight. My machine will get a serious work out removing 85kg of aluminum, but just comes down to time and insane chop management. About 20 hours just for roughing and probably have many trash bags worth of chips. Sucks to buy 650 bucks worth of aluminum and turn 85% of it into chips, but it's gonna yeild the best results and actually still be cheaper than a prepreg mold on tooling board plug

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