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f1rob
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The white original silicone came from synflex

then other people became suppliers

vac innovations orange version is as good if not better and a LOT cheaper !
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The white original silicone came from synflex

then other people became suppliers

vac innovations orange version is as good if not better and a LOT cheaper !
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Yep that sounds like the stuff and the cost of it, hence why we were told to use it sparingly. Can you remember the name of it by chance? I can do some digging about and see if theres a cheaper option from tygavac? they are in work tomorrow so I can ask them then.
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Yeh that stuff I'm aware of and got a quote from Interturbine who are the only ones who can get it in WA, but it's minimum order of one full roll (which wouldn't fit in my freezer) and was something ridiculous like $2000 for the material and $1800 to ship it. 
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The silicon / rubber intensifiers I used to make were from a roll of white uncured rubber, that we kept in the freezer but we all had a stock in our toolboxes. Its not cheap by any means but its ideal for getting consolidation in small pockets and internal cavities. And it can be re-used several times as I re-used the intensifiers on some seat back moulds at least 100 times.

I cant remember the name of it though but AMI-CON stock it.
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Thanks John, 

I'd love that, would be great to put a face to the name as well! Will PM you soon. 
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Hey Hanaldo

I have just done a bunch of pre preg parts using a silicone intensifier. Your welcome to drop by my shop and Ill show what I can.

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Thanks Rob, appreciate your input as always. 

Would love to move to England and get in on the F1 circuit. Can only dream of working with some of the technology you guys get to use on a daily basis! 
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You can use it without release,we use to make the turbo/intercooler pipes for the Renault v6 on the f1 cars that very way many years ago

Also has the advantage you can put 1 ply in your mould as your cosmetic ply the others can be laid around your silicone former with all the material joins staggered (butt joints of course)

Obviously silicone tube was hollow an was internally bagged

Current practice everyone uses 3d printed pipes

they can be rubbed down to a perfect Finnish,sealed an released

As you cook an have a dwell at 80 deg,just as your resin starts to flow an gel the 3d also softens enough to allow consolidation of the part

once cured an stripped from the mould heat to 140 an the 3d turns to a rubber like consistency and is easily pulled from some very complicated pipe shapes
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Thanks Rob, I'll have a look but it's quite likely impossible to get here or at least unreasonably expensive. 

Does using the release film in between the pre-preg and the silicone still give you a perfectly smooth surface on the inside, or will the wrinkles of release film come out in the part? Essentially what I am making is intake piping for high performance turbo applications. I believe this would benefit from having a smooth inner surface to aid air-flow, and I've also had issues in the past with release film getting pinched in a pleat and getting trapped by resin. So when you strip it out, you are left with tiny bits of release film trapped in the part, which obviously isn't a great thing on big dollar engines. Easy enough to get rid of with a bit if sanding, but that is really the only thing stopping me from pulling these parts out of the mould already finished and ready to go. Just trying to make turn-around time as quick as possible, and improve the product slightly in the process. 

The one potential issue I can see is that without all the pleats in the release film to help get air out, pinholes might be more of an issue with the silicone former? Or is that not really an issue? 
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