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so this isnt your typical car carbon fibre questions.

im after making a les paul guitar copy in carbon fibre.
http://images.gibson.com/Files/20b17b4b-a49a-4567-bd13-f55bbbaf7850.jpg (for anyone that doesnt know)

im just after some general advice on what could be the best way for me to do it, i was thinking of skinning the guitar so i could make the back & sides of the guitar and neck in 1 piece, then skin the top and somehow bond the top to the bottom (this is a big bit im unsure of how best to do)

the other options making a mould on the cnc machine of the guitar and doing it that way which would be very precise and would leave me an area to have an overrun of fabric so can trim back to an accurate shape but still leaves the problem of bonding the top to the bottom so we have a light-weight guitar

also what would you recommend for the strength of it, i was thinking of using a heavy gsm carbon fibre for a reinforment layer then laying a 220gsm over top for a nice decorative layer.

am i going to need diamond coated blades for cuttings i do with this? (probably silly question)

thanks in advance
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Ironically i was talking about making a guitar with a guitar maker friend a while back.

If you want a functional guitar, then an electric is the only way as an acoustic guitar you wouldnt get the same sound due to the material being used. Not that it would be impossible to make an acoustic guitar but youd need to design it.

There are carbon acoustic guitars out there: Carbon Guitar

However there shape has been teaked and carefully designed to take account of the different sound properties carbon has.

Luckily you are making an electric....

Made of carbon it will be plenty stiff enough to keep in tune so thats not a worry, and obviously the sound quality has more to do with the quality of the pickups and electronic equipment you fit.

In terms of moulding it, I suspect you dont want to buy an expensive guitar to use as a mould!!

if you could get a CNC plan of it then things are much easier. You could make a plug out of CNC milled foam and work from there, or use the measurements from the CNC plans to hand make the plug from foam.

You will need to consider your design carefully, probably needing several moulds, possibly several part each for the body, neck, fret board and head etc.

When i discussed it with my mate over some beers, we thought youd want a 2 part mould for each large part.  You can join them together by carefully desiging an overlap into the moulds.

eg make the bottom of the soundbox using the foam plug, then once happy, modify the plug to leave you a slight recessed overlap area when you make the soundboard mould so that there is an overlapping join.  Its more important to have a good seamless join on an acoustic than a electric. 

Use a similar technique on the fretboard and head.  Of course you could hand lay around a foam core and later dissolve the foam if you want minimal join lines, however it would need more preparation work to the finished part to get a nice smooth surface finish.

You could copy the idea in the link i posted and keep a hollow fretboard and head.  In theory you could then just have 2 moulds, a top and bottom.

Also consider how you are going to fit the frets, nut, tuning pegs etc.

It is doable though.

You dont need diamond cutting equipment!! You just need carbon shears to cut dry fabric and some tungsten carbide grit tools to do the cutting and filing of the finished parts.
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wow thank you for the informative reply, didnt even consider making an overlap for a better more seamless join, i was just thinking of making the sides thicker so had a decent width to stick the top to.

so yes going electric, an acoustic is something i want to try later on but it just wouldnt have the punch an electric will, got some real nice active pickups planned for it.

so a 2 part mould of the guitar is the plan, i am using the guitar to make the mould, not too worried about wrecking it. the plan was to try and do all of the back of the guitar and neck in 1, then the front of the body and the headstock on the other, il be laying an ebony freyboard on it though so just some reinforment il have to lay on the neck to support it (i hope)

this foam core idea sounds a good option but i dont know anything about it, anything you can recommend me reading about it?

and cool carbon shears and tungsten carbide grit tools, wouldnt of had a clue id of been tryna use the kitchen scissors
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The "lost foam" method is good for one offs or if you want no joins. You in effect carve yourself a plug out of styrofoam (it must be styrofoam).  Then using epoxy based resins you lay over your layers of carbon and wet it out in the same technique you would do for simple wet lay techniques. You then lay up ideally some coating resin like found in the bonnet skinning kits to build up resin to give you a surface you can sand smooth. once the thing is properly cured, you pour acetone into the middle through a hole and the acetone will dissolve the foam. You can then just pour out the liquid leaving a hollow carbon shape.

You cant use polyester resin as it will dissolve the resin.  Also you must ensure the epoxy is cured before you play with acetone as uncured epoxy can be broken down with acetone.


You wont get far using kitchen scissors to cut carbon! they will snag easy and blunt real quick.  decent carbon shears cut through carbon real easy.
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