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Opinions please: Roll-over protection for a Marcos
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Ian Mantula
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posted 11 Years Ago
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Hello,
Be gentle I'm new here!
I have just started to consider some carbon fibre parts for my Marcos Mantula. The car needs various parts before it's finished. One of those was to be a steel roll-over bar. However, my recent discovery of the possibilities of carbon fibre composites got me thinking. Is it possible for an enthusiastic amateur to build a lightweight integrated crash structure that was genuinely capable of helping with protection? What I'm thinking of is a structure that was not obvious once the interior had been trimmed. When working with steel roll-over structures there is plenty of prior knowledge as to what works and what would fail. Can this be true with Carbon fibre composites, or is this a black art known only to a few? How would I learn?
In case you are wondering the Marcos is a GRP bodied two seater sports car with a steel chassis and in mine a 4.6 litre V8... The top of the chassis structure is at shoulder height.
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I wonder if this is z-pinning?
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Opinions please: Roll-over protection for a Marcos
Ian Mantula
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11 Years Ago
Hi, Firstly nice waggon! My friend has a mantits (deliberate typo) which has just been...
FLD
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11 Years Ago
Thanks FLD, That's what I thought. I don't intend to race, this will be a long distance, high...
Ian Mantula
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11 Years Ago
There is the risk that if you make a composite one and (heaven forbid) you do roll it then you could...
FLD
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11 Years Ago
Don't do it ! Done lots of crash structures in F1 and thou your not going to see the forces we see...
f1rob
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11 Years Ago
Thanks f1rob, I get the message. Makes perfect sense to me, so I have dropped the idea completely....
Ian Mantula
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11 Years Ago
Carbon fiber is very brittle, it means impact absorbing very low energy, at the same time glass...
erdemy1
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11 Years Ago
My vote would be for a steel cage as well but just for information. Thisthread reminded me of this...
Brian2fast
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11 Years Ago
[quote][b]Brian2fast (08/12/2014)[/b][hr]My vote would be for a steel cage as well but just for...
Ian Mantula
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11 Years Ago
Some time ago safety devices offered aluminium roll cages for mk2 escorts. I believe the company has...
FLD
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11 Years Ago
Hi Ian I only put those links up for information. I'm all for pushing the boundaries of whats...
Brian2fast
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11 Years Ago
" Apparantly they use some sort of anti-splinter process to ensure the cage does not shatter into...
erdemy1
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11 Years Ago
I wonder if this is z-pinning?
FLD
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11 Years Ago
You can prevent the "shattering /shards" problem by simply using outer layers of Kevlar/CF mix ......
Dravis
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11 Years Ago
Although I have dropped the idea now, I was thinking "outside the tubular box". Perhaps trying to...
Ian Mantula
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11 Years Ago
Just another car to look at is the Mclaren P1 GTR which doesn't have a cage as it's carbon monocoque...
ajb100
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11 Years Ago
Lotus Exige has a composite 'crash box' too. Can definitely be done, but it's certainly not...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
The exige crash box is just on the front so doesn't cover roll over events.
FLD
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11 Years Ago
No no I know. I was just talking about the use of composites in impact/collision and safety...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
Ah right, have you seen them? Quite an interesting part in how its made.
FLD
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11 Years Ago
Yes I've worked quite closely with one. I had to redesign one here to fit a bigger radiator, and to...
Hanaldo
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11 Years Ago
Yeah, I have a VX220 which has the same crash structure. I've looked at some vanes for the centre...
FLD
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11 Years Ago
You have to engineer such a structure from 2 perspectives. IN the roll over situation, deformation...
Warren (Staff)
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11 Years Ago
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