Easy & vari-preg use with UDs & Nomex


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Hi,

I am pondering a new boat build which will, in all eventuality, comprise making the hulls (it's a catamaran), foils, beams and maybe even a mast. I am pretty impressed with the Easy-preg option for an off the mould finish, ready for paint directly - I don't want the weight penalty of a gel coat if possible. The hulls would be a Nomex sandwich and I assume that this would be OK with a 215 gsm vari-preg layer (don't want to go to the 430 or would the experts recommend a resin layer? If so, where do I get this as there is nothing on the Easy Composites site that looks like it fits the bill. I'd like to work on a single vacuum / over cure rather than doing curing the layers individually.

My second train of thought is how to incorporate UD layers in the vari-preg system. The cat's beams, foils and mast will be a UD dominated laminate, so I will need to work this out! Again, is there sufficient resin within the vari-preg backing layer to co-infuse UD layers, or again will a resin layer be required?

Got to build an oven of course, but I'd like to get the construction resolved in my head at least.

Thanks for the great tutorials.

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Andy
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That's the wonderful thing about free speech & open forums - everyone can express an opinion! Smile

I know that I could always use the Gruit pre-preg system that has surfacing films, UDs and core adhesive layers, but these are all additional steps in the process. The EC system suggests that some of these steps could be eliminated, although the range of reinforcements is limited.
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You could get away with a single thin layer with a closed cell foam as it won't collapse so much if damaged, it will dent and still provide some strength whereas a honeycomb would collapse and not provide any strength after impact.

resin layers and prepreg UD are pretty specialist, try TenCate Advanced Composites and discuss your requirements with them. You may find they have a "SQR" roll of something similar to your needs at a discounted price (they did when I needed some a few years ago). If you use a foam with prepreg (gurit M80 is good) then you don't typically need to add a resin layer between the fabric and the core.

Also, the Advanced Composites Show at the NEC is on in November so that is well worth a trip (free advance registration) and have a poke around and discuss your requirements with the suppliers direct.

As for finishing, UV and scratch protection, try "Durepox Clear" it's a specialist 2k PU based clear coat that is primarily used for marine craft (also used to reduce the friction/bond between the water and the hull)

Brainfart, you forget that even though the buoyancy vs weight may pretty much cancel, every gram counts with a boat, the heavier it is, the lower it sits and the more drag on the hull from the increased wetted surface area.
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Sorry if I didn't express myself well, I wasn't doubting your skills its just that I dont really see the point of using prepreg on bigger parts like boats and so on...
Why not infuse the whole thing in one shot instead of using prepreg? I didnt found OOA prepreg giving me lighter or stronger results, its just a nicer way to work on smaller parts...

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