Making of a hole new kayak ((surfski)


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Hi!
I'm from Sweden and found this really interesting forum just now.
I'm doing a lot of adventure racing and paddling is one of the main parts in competitions.
So, i would really like to make my own kayak, but this one will be like a surfski, something like this;

http://fatpaddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/P1000468.jpg

I have a few questions I hope someone can help me with:
First, I would like to build a boat as light as possible, in carbon fiber / kevlar. How thick should have the hull and deck.
Then I do not know if it is possible to make use of rasin infusion technology or whether to try to vacuum bag. I am puzzled, however, if you have time to wet-laying the entire hull and then on the vacuum bag before the rasin time to solidify.
If one would use rasin infusion, how often you need to outsource distribution tubing to cover the entire hull?
Then I also wonder how best to put together the hull and deck. I saw the movie on kayak repair and which used some form of kevlar tape. Is it the best thing to use or is there something else?
Hm, these issues are perhaps slightly messy but I am so grateful for all the help I can get.
Thanks in advance,
Staffan, Sweden

Edited 11 Years Ago by staffan_w
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Hm, sorry for the bad english in my last post. I wrote it in the middle of the night and my English is not quite what it should be.
But, I wondered about the layup resin infusion and concluded that this should be a way that can work, right?!
I have the resin feed spiral in det middle and the red circle around it is connected to the vacuumpump
http://www.talkcomposites.com/Uploads/Images/588a60eb-ecc5-43cb-b650-6e46.jpg
Then I also wondered if I need something that statutes up between the hull and deck. I come to sit on the deck, so to speak, and it aknske must have some reinforcement to keep well?
Hm, I really feel that I have a lot to think about before I'm in the target with this ...
Grateful for tips and ideas!

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Hi, staffan. you'r english is more than understandable! no problem Wink
your drawing is a good set-up for vacuuminfusion. I did something similar on a smaller scale, 
maybe this video I've made can give you some more information. (+/- same set-up you thought of)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn_xmEIiGQU

here is a video on how they make a conoe (looks like kayak)
Very good video.

It indeed is a project that takes a lot of time and preparation... take you'r time for it Wink
I always like to make a list with what i'll need en in which steps i'll do everything.
I do this to save some time, don't forget stuff, and have an idea of needs in material.

For your two pars I think you should make two mould, lower and upper...
at the end you seal both halves with some epoxy (you can find special glues or resins for water-environments and zo on)

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Thank's Matthieu!
Good video, I seen it in the past, before I found this forum.
Yes, it feels like a pretty big project, but it would be such a great feeling to make your own kayak.
It is difficult to say how much material to use and what products to get as good a result as possible.
Read that one can not make use of polyester in the mold if you want to use epoxy when to make your kayak.

Thanks for your reply.

/ Staffan

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From my experience kayaks need to float, so maybe some ares with foam core would help with the shape and buoyancy also. is this your first carbon project Stefan?

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Hi Alex!
Yes, I think you are right that some sort of floatation needed. However, it's a surfski, which I will try to build, fully enclosed and is really a great buoyancy in itself.
However, I think you may need to reinforce the inside of the surfski so the deck dont move around too much. Do not know what kind of materials to use for this?

Yes, this is my first project with carbon fiber. I have fixed a lot of canoes over the years, but only in fiberglass.
I'm thinking, though, that I might make a first attempt with just fiberglass, so I will not have to make all the mistakes with carbon fiber! =)

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hey dont worry about the english Smile no worries here
i think kayaks are made as top and bottoms and are then joined to form one piece hull. i saw a couple shows and a video
where it was done with sea kayaks. you will need to either make a mold of one or make a plug and mold off of that.and i think
boats have some very particular issues concerning the centerline and how and where the weight is carried. otherwise you may end up with
a fancy log like structure that flips over in the water when you dont need it to do that Smile.
i think best bet is buy a used one and cast a mold from that.even if it is one that is really damaged, you only would need to build/repair it enough
to make your molds.
 the video i saw , a scene stuck in my mind-- the top and bottom were set together,and the builder had a pole with a roller on it and held a strip of fiberglass
in a long V shape so he could use the pole to join the top and bottom on the inside of the kayak.he stuck the strip down at the bow point and rolled it back to where the seat is,and then did the same again with the other half of the V . i then assumed he finished the outside of the hull in a similar manner.
  best of luck to you and post up more pics as you go along .

oh yeah you can vacuum bag it or hand lay the cloth and resins.  i suggest vac method Smile

scott


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Nice to hear your ideas Scott!

I think I
've seen that movie also on Youtube. My problem is that I'll make a surfski, pictures in my first post, so I can't get access to the inside of the kayak once you have put together hull and deck.

I actually have access to an old homemade surfski which I will use as plug. It is made of CF so I hope I can make a mold with epoxy out of it.

But my idea is just like you said Scott, make two molds, one for the deck and one for the hull. The questions I have is, as I said;
-How much CF or fiberglass do I have to use in the kayak?
-How do I deploy the infusion spiral to get a good result?
-Is the vacuum pump ECVP425 enough for this job, the kayak is over 6m long and about 45cm wide.
-How do I join the deck and hull so that it keeps? I cant get access to the inside of the kayak after I have put together the hull and the deck? Is there some kind of tape or similar that I can use?

Thank you for your ideas and thoughts on the project!

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Typical layup for a kayak like this would be 200g carbon, foam core, 200g carbon with added reinforcement where needed for example the nose and the cockpit area.  I believe that the deck and hull are joined using some sort of lap joint and bonded together, finishing off the seam with gelcoat and a seam tape of glass or kevlar flat braid.  

Infusion spiral and pump I'm sure someone else has better knowledge than me but it can be easily done with hand layup and bagging after to get a kayak around 10kg of this sort.

Spiral I would guess runs down the centre line of the hull for resin inlet and a ring around the flange to draw resin towards the pump evenly.  Any pump (within reason) that will draw close to full vacuum will be appropriate for this.

Hope this helps, I can take some pictures the next time we build some racing kayaks and post them up if I remember to show how we seam them.

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