Release agent woes - unimould resin infusion


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You still require a release agent; the S120 is a surface is a sealer and does not add any release properties. When you do use S120 to restore a mould that has previously been used though, it's vitally important to remove *any* traces of release agent from the mould. Normally, this requires completely flatting back the mould surface with something like a 1200 grit paper. If you don't do this properly and there are any traces of release agent left of the mould surface then the S120 will be unable to stick to the mould and will fish-eye away or delaminate.

As for which release agent, its personal choice but would usually be used along with a Chemical Release Agent like Easy Lease. I note a few posts about Shelf-Life; it is worth noting that Chemical Release Agents are hygroscopic so whilst we could never recommend exceeding the shelf life anyway, it is worth pointing out that if left without the lid on or if used repeatedly in humid environments, you can decrease the shelf life further.

As with the S120, this is a very short shelf-life product at only around 6 months and as with the chemical release, ensure the lids are on tightly between uses.
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Rich (Staff) - 9/30/2019 1:54:17 PM
S120 will work in exactly the same way as the HP2002.

Thanks Rich - I have some of that now so will definitely try it first...what can I use on top of it though - wax, easy-lease, pva or just leave it as is?

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S120 will work in exactly the same way as the HP2002.
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moonpie - 9/30/2019 9:05:01 AM
scottracing - 9/30/2019 8:45:01 AM
I totally agree with Rob, we moved from Frekote to Chemtrend then after lots of my mates saying they only use marbocote we used that and I wont use anything else now!

Do you have a good source for it Rob - ironically the manufacturers are only up the road from me but I can't find a supplier anywhere near...? 

ami-con sell it but they have a minimum order quantity of 5 litres. I think EC fibreglass sell marbocoate but the HP2002 and HP7 arent on there sales list.


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scottracing - 9/30/2019 8:45:01 AM
I totally agree with Rob, we moved from Frekote to Chemtrend then after lots of my mates saying they only use marbocote we used that and I wont use anything else now!

Do you have a good source for it Rob - ironically the manufacturers are only up the road from me but I can't find a supplier anywhere near...? 

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I totally agree with Rob, we moved from Frekote to Chemtrend then after lots of my mates saying they only use marbocote we used that and I wont use anything else now!

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moonpie - 9/28/2019 3:31:28 PM
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Fasta - 9/27/2019 5:42:13 AM
I think that when things really stick/bond like this  that it is likely an undercured material on your pattern. Also if the unimold gelcoat is a vinylester resin?? then these are also more aggressive than polyester resin gelcoats so your materials on the pattern need to be suitable and fully cured. I have thrown a small boat hull in the bin due to a vinylester stickup.

Best for patterns is a polyester based coating as they cure better than faster than epoxy. Then use the semi permenant release agents including sealer and release, plus a few wax coats too. No PVA needed.

http://www.rexco-usa.com/why-molds-stick/

Thanks for the link Fasta that is really good reading. When this net mould is finished I'll pull two glass rough versions out first and then look to go for the third one in carbon. Makes a lot of sense to me especially as a friend has made 3 things in the same mould recently and the third virtually dropped straight out. Thanks everyone for the advice.
F1Rob - I hear you - my experience exactly... 


This is the best stuff on the market
Works 110%
Apply it properly and you will have a mirror Finnish as smooth an hard as anything
Even pre preg tooling which has 55deg an 90psi cure wont mark it
Once this has sealed your pattern or mould any release will work perfectly on it 1st time
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Fasta - 9/27/2019 5:42:13 AM
I think that when things really stick/bond like this  that it is likely an undercured material on your pattern. Also if the unimold gelcoat is a vinylester resin?? then these are also more aggressive than polyester resin gelcoats so your materials on the pattern need to be suitable and fully cured. I have thrown a small boat hull in the bin due to a vinylester stickup.

Best for patterns is a polyester based coating as they cure better than faster than epoxy. Then use the semi permenant release agents including sealer and release, plus a few wax coats too. No PVA needed.

http://www.rexco-usa.com/why-molds-stick/

Thanks for the link Fasta that is really good reading. When this net mould is finished I'll pull two glass rough versions out first and then look to go for the third one in carbon. Makes a lot of sense to me especially as a friend has made 3 things in the same mould recently and the third virtually dropped straight out. Thanks everyone for the advice.
F1Rob - I hear you - my experience exactly... 

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The only people who say chemical release has a shelf life are the people selling it !
Using stuff from caterham f1 expiry date 2011
Works perfect
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I think that when things really stick/bond like this  that it is likely an undercured material on your pattern. Also if the unimold gelcoat is a vinylester resin?? then these are also more aggressive than polyester resin gelcoats so your materials on the pattern need to be suitable and fully cured. I have thrown a small boat hull in the bin due to a vinylester stickup.

Best for patterns is a polyester based coating as they cure better than faster than epoxy. Then use the semi permenant release agents including sealer and release, plus a few wax coats too. No PVA needed.

http://www.rexco-usa.com/why-molds-stick/




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