Carbon rings for kite power project


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Hi Folks, thanks for making this forum.
There's loads of great advice here. 

I've been making
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60 cm diam rings by bending 5mm carbon rod , setting the ends inside a cuff and sewing these inside a dacron sleeve.
This puts the carbon rod under a lot of initial stress. So much that vinylester rods break randomly in the night. I should use epoxy.
From here they are compressed even more by 6 lines on a tensile torque transmission system. 
This is a very weird project making a flying wind turbine... https://windswept-and-interesting.co.uk

I'd love any suggestions or advice on how to make these rings better. ..I can't afford a bike wheel for every ring in a stack
Is there anywhere which makes a set pultruded coil which I could cut and set as a ring?
Is there anyone makes a prepreg packing or sealing gasket I could wrap around a large cylinder?
Should I just make corner blocks and use straight rods?

Thanks in advance

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Sounds like you are right on the limit of what the rod can bend to.  Can you use a smaller diameter rod? or is the strength insufficient?

If you could find a tube of the right overall diameter, you could hand lay up carbon fibre to make pre-bent rings.  They would not be as neat as a pultruded rod, but with care you could make a neat and fairly consistent carbon band. I would probably look at using carbon tow to help improve the hoop strength. 

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Do the rings have to be carbon fibre? The fibreglass pultruded rods would be more resilient than the carbon for the same size.

Or a slightly smaller dia carbon rod or a better grade or carbon ??

Or as suggested layup your own if you can find a large piece of metal tube that would make a good mould to use, then they could be wet laid or pre preg and even a sandwich structure. Layup a piece of it and then cut this into the rings.




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Thanks for the advice Fasta and Warren,
I'll do better research on the minimum bending radius of epoxy 5mm rod first before trying to lay my own version.


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I'm a little concerned now that the Vinyl Ester pultruded rods may actually have a better ultimate tensile strain rating 1.4% than the epoxy 1.1%
So Vinyl Estsr should be able to withstand the bending strain
Vinyl Ester
https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=2001
Epoxy
http://www.goodfellow.com/A/Carbon-Epoxy-Composite-Composite.htmlhttp://www.goodfellow.com/A/Carbon-Epoxy-Composite-Composite.html
How to calculate minimum bending radius
https://www.reddit.com/r/engineering/comments/5y2mcp/question_maximum_bending_of_a_carbon_rod/
Thing is ... If my rod is 5mm and the bend radius is 320mm (64cm dia 2m length rod)
Then I'd have thought my max strain level (seperation / radius of curve ) is only 2.5mm/320mm = 0.0078 or 0.8% ish so my rods shouldn't be snapping.
 It's only the odd 1 or 2 which pop 
and by 2 different methods either a straight snap or a crushed delamination
I may have to start making my own custom gear

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