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hi all, a quick question. Can I stick say 2 layers of kevlar in the between carbon fiber layers in the same wet layup? Making a guitar pedal board for my son. They stomp on it quiet hard so I thought I might reinforce it with something. Will the kevlar make a difference?

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igs_au - 5/30/2019 1:49:00 AM
hi all, a quick question. Can I stick say 2 layers of kevlar in the between carbon fiber layers in the same wet layup? Making a guitar pedal board for my son. They stomp on it quiet hard so I thought I might reinforce it with something. Will the kevlar make a difference?

May not help at all.

The one layer carbon skins will take all of the load as it is a better material than the neighboring kevlar. Although the kevlar will then hold it together quite well once broken.

Maybe better with all carbon or all fibrglass. You can probably put kevlar inbetween fibreglass ok too.

Use epoxy resins and not cheap polyester.





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Fasta - 5/30/2019 3:31:44 AM
igs_au - 5/30/2019 1:49:00 AM
hi all, a quick question. Can I stick say 2 layers of kevlar in the between carbon fiber layers in the same wet layup? Making a guitar pedal board for my son. They stomp on it quiet hard so I thought I might reinforce it with something. Will the kevlar make a difference?

May not help at all.

The one layer carbon skins will take all of the load as it is a better than the kevlar. Although the kevlar will then hold it together quite well once broken.

Maybe better with all carbon or all fibrglass. You can probably put kevlar inbetween fibreglass ok too.

Use epoxy resins and not cheap polyester.


hmm intersting. thank you. I'm putting on 6 layers of CF all together. Top layer is decorative. And I thought I'll make layer 3 and 5 kevlar. Just to be safe. I'm using West System epoxy. Seems to be the trend

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igs_au - 5/30/2019 3:37:22 AM
Fasta - 5/30/2019 3:31:44 AM
igs_au - 5/30/2019 1:49:00 AM
hi all, a quick question. Can I stick say 2 layers of kevlar in the between carbon fiber layers in the same wet layup? Making a guitar pedal board for my son. They stomp on it quiet hard so I thought I might reinforce it with something. Will the kevlar make a difference?

May not help at all.

The one layer carbon skins will take all of the load as it is a better than the kevlar. Although the kevlar will then hold it together quite well once broken.

Maybe better with all carbon or all fibrglass. You can probably put kevlar inbetween fibreglass ok too.

Use epoxy resins and not cheap polyester.


hmm intersting. thank you. I'm putting on 6 layers of CF all together. Top layer is decorative. And I thought I'll make layer 3 and 5 kevlar. Just to be safe. I'm using West System epoxy. Seems to be the trend

Using a few layers each side of the kevlar would likely be ok for the purpose. Much better than tempting a 1 layer carbon skin in a stomping song.






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This is not a case where Kevlar will make any sense. You want the pedal board to withstand the stomping, not to hold the sharp fragments together if your son stomps it into pieces. Kevlar doesn't make the parts stronger, it just makes them fail saver in high kinetic failure scenarios (motorsport). Even if your son stomps right through the board, there won't be enough energy involved to make things flight around dangerously.
If you just want to make things more stable, Kevlar won't make any difference, because it is much less stiff than carbon, and therefore won't take much load up to the point the carbon has reached it's maximum elongation. 

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oekmont - 5/30/2019 4:32:45 AM
This is not a case where Kevlar will make any sense. You want the pedal board to withstand the stomping, not to hold the sharp fragments together if your son stomps it into pieces. Kevlar doesn't make the parts stronger, it just makes them fail saver in high kinetic failure scenarios (motorsport). Even if your son stomps right through the board, there won't be enough energy involved to make things flight around dangerously.
If you just want to make things more stable, Kevlar won't make any difference, because it is much less stiff than carbon, and therefore won't take much load up to the point the carbon has reached it's maximum elongation. 


excellent. thank you. It will probably make it even worse. Because if it's not as stiff as CF, the board will bend more easily which is not good at all. I need this as stiff as possible.

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igs_au - 5/30/2019 5:52:05 AM
oekmont - 5/30/2019 4:32:45 AM
This is not a case where Kevlar will make any sense. You want the pedal board to withstand the stomping, not to hold the sharp fragments together if your son stomps it into pieces. Kevlar doesn't make the parts stronger, it just makes them fail saver in high kinetic failure scenarios (motorsport). Even if your son stomps right through the board, there won't be enough energy involved to make things flight around dangerously.
If you just want to make things more stable, Kevlar won't make any difference, because it is much less stiff than carbon, and therefore won't take much load up to the point the carbon has reached it's maximum elongation. 


excellent. thank you. It will probably make it even worse. Because if it's not as stiff as CF, the board will bend more easily which is not good at all. I need this as stiff as possible.

In this case you should use a real core material with some thickness like 20mm 200kg density PVC foam. How strong is your drummers leg?





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Fasta - 5/30/2019 7:32:55 AM
igs_au - 5/30/2019 5:52:05 AM
oekmont - 5/30/2019 4:32:45 AM
This is not a case where Kevlar will make any sense. You want the pedal board to withstand the stomping, not to hold the sharp fragments together if your son stomps it into pieces. Kevlar doesn't make the parts stronger, it just makes them fail saver in high kinetic failure scenarios (motorsport). Even if your son stomps right through the board, there won't be enough energy involved to make things flight around dangerously.
If you just want to make things more stable, Kevlar won't make any difference, because it is much less stiff than carbon, and therefore won't take much load up to the point the carbon has reached it's maximum elongation. 


excellent. thank you. It will probably make it even worse. Because if it's not as stiff as CF, the board will bend more easily which is not good at all. I need this as stiff as possible.

In this case you should use a real core material with some thickness like 20mm 200kg density PVC foam. How strong is your drummers leg?


It's a gutar board. max length of about 460mm. Most pressure will be on one side on the wha pedal. 6-7 layers of CB should be enough for the thing not to bend inwards. I got 6k twill which is pretty think.

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