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Hi guys,

I'm a bit confused regarding all those release agents. Do I have to buy all of them:

- PVA
- Number 8 Wax
- Easy-Lease Chemical release

or one of them would do?

The surface on which I'm going to do a vacuum infusion would be one of these:

- Polypropylene sheet
- Polycarbonate sheet
- PVC sheet
- Plexiglass (perspex) sheet

It would be nice if Matt (staff) or someone else who works at EC could explain a bit more about those release agents and the materials I want to use them on.

Thank you
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Hi Mannime,

You don't need to buy all of those release agents; they each have their purpose and sometimes, for certain applications we use them in combination so it depends what you're doing as to which you'll need.

PVA will leave swirls on the surface of parts which are time consuming to buff away so it's rarely used for marking parts themselves. We do sometimes use it when going from a pattern to a mould or, very occasionally, when taking the first part out of a new mould. You can use it on its own or in combination with wax although this more more of a doubling up process since the PVA won't really go down properly over the wax, it will however fill in for any areas you've missed during your wax applications.

[In combination with wax, several applications of wax would go down before a single application of PVA]

Number 8 Wax can be used when going from a pattern to a mould or from a mould to your parts. It will leave a glossy finish on your parts and you might be able to get more than one release without needing to re-apply. Gradually the wax will build up though and it will need stripping off and starting again.

Wax and PVA can be used together (wax first, see notes below) but this is only necessary if you're particuarly concerned about a release. They don't really work too well together (the PVA will bead off the wax) but at the same time the PVA will find any areas you might have consistantly missed with the wax.

Wax and Easy-Lease can be used together but again only if you are particuarly worried about release problems. This would only ever be done when going from a pattern to a mould or on the first release from a new mould. Generally Easy-Lease or wax would be used on their own and woudl be fine.

[In combination with PVA, several applications of wax would go down before a single application of PVA]
[In combination with Easy-Lease, several applications of Easy-Lease can be followed by several coats of wax]

Easy-Lease Chemical Release Agent is the release agent we use more than any other. It's very reliable (providing that the mould and resin are compatible), is semi-permenant (you can get probably 20 releases off a glass sheet for example), it's easy to apply and very 'slippy' meaning that parts will release very easily from moulds.

Easy-Lease is suitable for pattern to mould use (although you may choose to use wax on top of the Easy-Lease) and particularly suitable for releasing parts from moulds where its high gloss and semi permenant character make it very effective.

[In combination with Easy-Lease, several applications of Easy-Lease can be followed by several coats of wax]

The surface on which I'm going to do a vacuum infusion would be one of these:

- Polypropylene sheet- Polycarbonate sheet- PVC sheet
- Plexiglass (perspex) sheet


If you're making flat sheet I would always recommend a glass sheet. Glass is glossier, flatter and much harder to scratch that anything you've mentioned in your list. Normal glass (float) can be used or, for regular use, toughened glass is supurb. From your list, if you were to use polyproplylene sheet then you wouldn't need to use any release agent at all because epoxy resin won't stick at all to it (and nor would it to PTFE for that matter).

I hope this helps.

Matt

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Hi Matt,

thank you very much for thorough explanation of each release agent.  So it seems that I will be ordering Easy-Lease.

Could you confirm that it will work ok with one of the mould surfaces below?

- Polypropylene sheet
- Polycarbonate sheet
- PVC sheet
- Plexiglass (perspex) sheet

I'm I right thinking that the first 2 materials would be the best followed by PVC and then perspex? Which would you choose personally?

I really appreciate your help.

Thank you,
Mani
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As Matt was saying, for polypropylene sheet and PTFE you dont need any release agent, as the epoxy will not stick to it at all.

Are you planning to make flat sheets of material? Then your definitely best with a sheet of glass, coated with easy-lease as a mould. It can be re-used indefinitely, unlike the other materials which will become scratched quite quickly which will be visible in your surface finish.

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Hi Mani,

Like Baja says, no release agent at all for polypropylene. PVC would need Easy-Lease (do a test first to make sure it works and that the solvent doesn't upset the PVC), Perspex is a strange one and MUST be tested first because from one brand to the next you will get different results.

Only consider any of these alternatives if glass is not an option (i.e. if the mould is not flat) otherwise go with glass every time.

--Matt


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