Newbie questions. Complicated part fabricating.


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Hanaldo is right.. Laying up with larger sections will be the best for strength. I have to use 2 sections on each side of the surface layer but it is also joined where I add extra strength too. I would say you need to debulk at least twice once with the surface layer then after every 2 or 3 backing layers. As for inserts you can bury them into the pre-preg during lay up and this is a good way to get them deep inside the part and build outwards spreading the load better and not needing to bond them later. 




Not got experience with the material you are planning to use so cannot say how good or bad it would be. But as it seems to be a 245 gram material I would say you will need some areas with quite a few layers to get the strength you need but it is a good thing as you can make many changes in the material orientation to give it strength in as many directions as possible. Mine is also a fuel cell so the tank has a base and carries fuel. The tank base adds a lot of strength too. 
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I have been offered a great deal from a composites supplier close to where I live to buy an OOA 245gsm twill prepreg called DeltaPreg GG245, using the DT806 resin system.

From the product data sheet, it seems to me it woukd be a nice prepreg for my purpose, but I would love to hear from anyone experienced with this particular product. Anyone?

/Lasse

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Thanks for the reply!

Regarding the mounting points:

They are some of the most difficult areas of the part to properly get the prepreg well seated into, which makes me think a cured "shell"  would be easier to succeed with. 

If I decide to go this route, do you think covering these areas (which are to be further reinforced later on) with regular peel ply before/inside of the non perforated release film would create a nicely keyed area to get the additional layers to bond to?

/Lasse

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Regarding the layup technique, cutting small pieces is fine, but you will be reducing the strength of the part. On a cosmetic item this normally isn't an issue, but your piece does have a structural element which you are aware of. You can make up for this loss of strength by overlapping the cuts with additional reinforcement. This obviously results in a slightly heavier part. So I think decide on what is going to give you the best result. Laying up in one piece isn't always as difficult as you might expect; and by the same token, laying up in multiple pieces may not necessarily be easier either. 



As for your mounting points, again what you have suggested would work, provided you key the area you are laying additional carbon to allow for good bond strength. That said, I think you can do it in one go, without the initial cure. If the whole part needed to be 6 or 7 layers thick then I would say you couldn't do it without debulking, but when only the mounting points are that thick I think you would get away with it, especially if you use a roller to consolidate it a bit between layers. You might get some pinholes from this, but if you're painting it anyway then you can just fill these. 
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Here's a picture of the (nt really finished) plug for the part I'm making, by the way. It's the seat/tank part.

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Hi!

I'm a racing motorcycle nut from Sweden. I have a lot of questions regarding my very first prepreg project, a tank/seat combination for a race bike I've been working on forever, it seems.

The mould is 5-piece design made from the Uni-mould system. The part to be made is a quite complicated shape, fully enclosed by the mould, featuring a LOT of curves, sharp edges/corners and also some mounting points that must be very strong.

At first I wasn't even considering using prepreg, but after having thought long and hard about this layup, I came to the conclusion that no other method is possible. A wet layup would inevitably cause a total mess because of the limited space inside the mould, and infusion would be very tricky as well.

Using prepreg will allow me the time to lay up the fabric very carefully and free of messy resin, and I can prepare and test the vacuum bag until all is perfect.

Now some questions:

The part will be painted, as I'm not a big fan of the glossy carbon look. Therefore, the surface layer weave direction doesn't matter a lot to me, appearance-wise. Since the part is very complicated, I am thinking about cutting smaller pieces of the surface layer prepreg to increase  my chances of getting the fabric perfectly tight into all the sharp edges/corners of the mould, in order to avoid bridging problems.  After that, I'll be cutting the bigger pieces and continue normally with the layup. Thoughts on this approach?

The mounting points will need to be very strong. I am thinking of bonding aluminium/titanium inserts in these areas. Even so, the laminate needs to be considerably heavier/thicker around these areas. I am thinking of making these areas in two steps: At first, just laminate the whole part using 1  215g surface layer, and 2 450g layers. Then, after curing the part continue to build up additional strength around the mounting points, adding maybe 5 more layers of 415g and curing again.  Am I thinking straight here?

Hoping for opinions from those more experienced!

Thanks/

Lasse Svedberg

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