Strength of carbon composite—sound logic?


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Having the angle less than 45* will give additional torsional stiffness, but will reduce the stiffness along the length of the mast (compared to a unidirectional fiber).

As a disclosure, my structural design experience is related to aircraft, not boats.  So I'm not sure exactly what the design criteria would be for a boat mast.  I imagine you have to balance between stiffness and toughness... a mast too stiff might fracture, so I'm sure you want some flexibility to go into it.  This is why they taper towards the end.

I would agree that you would likely need a combination of fabrics and orientation to achieve the overall strength and stiffness... some unidirection fibers to help with the bending of the mast and some biaxial to help retain the cross sectional shape and torsional loads.  This will also help with the overall durability.

I suggest checking out some forums that deal directly with boat/mast construction possibly?





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If your mast layup is all bi axial sock then the tube will not be working very well with regard to using the fibres effectively. 

Typically most masts, booms and many other tubes will have a majority of the fibre along the tube 60-80% and then 20-40% off axis like your sock fibre or even oriented around the tube to help give it a circular strength (hoop strength) and this helps the tube hold it sectional shape and also reduce overall bending.

A mast with a all 45 deg fibre will have massive sectional strength but will still bend a bit without longitudinal fibres.

Tubes are all tailored for their purposes.

I would guess that a substitute carbon mast could be a little smaller in diameter than the timber mast and still easily be just as stiff.




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In the material properties I noted, the high value is what I calculated for unidirectional along the fibers.
The low value is what I calculated for 2x2 bi-axial twill cloth.

The sleeve would be oversized, so the fiber orientation would be a bit less than 45 degrees.
Wouldn't that make it stronger than the low values?

I thought I was being pretty conservative in my calculations.
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You have to take in consideration as to what exactly the strength values of the carbon fiber means.

A bi-axial twill sleeve will have a fiber orientation of ~45*, sleeves will change the angle orientation slightly depending on how much you stretch or compress it to fit.  

Your estimation is an aggressive estimation, I would say that you've assumed all the fibers to be unidirectional along the length of the mast and is subject only to pure bending, tension, or compression loads (no torsional).

Comparing two materials with different anisotropic properties is not as straight forward as that.  If you were switching from steel to aluminum then that would be an appropriate approach.
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Hi all,

I'm new to this forum and new to carbon fiber composites in general.

My current project is a mast for a sailboat dinghy.

As my first question on this forum, I'd like to ask if my logic is sound regarding the strength of a carbon fiber component.

I have a hollow wooden mast 12 feet (3.6 meters) high and would like to replace it with a carbon fiber mast of the same diameter.
The wooden mast is 3 inches (75 mm) in diameter with a wall thickness of 0.75 inches (20 mm).

(The carbon cloth I plan to use will be bi-axial twill sleeve, along with West System epoxy.)

When I compare the material properties of the wood to the carbon fiber, I find:
in compression, carbon fiber composite is between 12—16 times stronger
and in tension, carbon fiber composite is between 9—12 times stronger.

As I understand it, I can build the dinghy mast with the same height and diameter.
If I divide the wall thickness of the wooden mast by 9, I get 0.08 inches (2 mm) for the corresponding carbon fiber mast.

So a carbon fiber mast with a wall thickness of 0.08 inches (2 mm) would be similar in tension and much stronger in compression than the corresponding wooden mast.

Is my logic sound?

Thanks for your help!
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