Any experience with the cheaper ebay vac pumps?


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thorstengsxr
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Hi 

from my side the pump is not so importend. What you need is a good pressure monitor. The best one I find wasthe Greisinger 
GDH 200-14
 
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I'm selling my kit right now, if you are interested
Resin Infusion Starter Kit incl. Pump, Resin Catch Pot, Claps etc
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Often I see people talking about the fact that the pump has to deliver sufficient cfm. at pressures over 27 Hg for example, 
However, the only specs I see are Power output, and flow, is there any way from the specs to work out if the vacuum pump is going to deliver such performances?
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Would either of you have the ebay seller's ID handy that you purchased from?

Alternatively could you post a picture of the pump?
Thanks.
Edited 11 Years Ago by 20_rc51_00
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Cheers guys
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So if you buy a pump with specs somewhere between the two pumps EC offers you will be fine.
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Dual stage oil pumps will achieve a better vacuum under ideal operating conditions (which composite work isn't!).

Dual stage oil pumps have two pumping units connected to the same motor. The exhaust of the first stage is connected to the inlet of the second. This will produce a lower vacuum if they run for a while. But since the ultimately achievable vacuum in vac bagging etc. is dictated by gas permeability of the bagging materials and tubing and the vapour pressure of resin components they do not necessarily produce a significantly lower (better) vacuum under real world conditions. Single stage oil pump might be sufficient, but it can't hurt to use a dual stage pump. They are of course a little pricier.

Membrane pumps are available as single, dual and even multiple stage pumps. Single stage pumps will only produce a vacuum of approx. 80-100mbar or so, which is insufficient for most of our purposes. Dual stage membrane pumps, well it depends on how the pumping heads are connected to each other. If they are in parallel, they will produce the vacuum twice as fast and will move roughly twice the amount of air per minute, but still achieve only a weak vacuum. If they are connected serially, then they will produce a better vacuum (up to 15-20 mbar) but will move just as much air per minute as a single stage pump. Then there are membrane pumps with multiple stages, where all the pumping heads are connected serially, they will go down to 2-3mbar under optimum conditions. These are rarely found outside professional laboratory environments. The reason they are used is that they can be produced out of fluorinated polymers (think teflon) which makes them insensitive to volatile solvents and agressive chemicals, which would quickly ruin oil pumps. They are also quite expensive, with prices about 10-30 times higher than one of those el cheapo Chinese Ebay oil pumps.

Then there are hybrid pumps which consist of an oil pump connected to a membrane pump, but mere mortals will probably never see one in action, they can only be found in well-equipped and funded professional chemistry labs.

If you are on a budget, a small single stage oil pump will do for smaller scale work. If a few bucks more won't matter then buying a dual stage pump can't hurt. But what's more important is the amount of air the pump is able to move, the cubic feet per minute or cubic meter per hour rating. The higher this number the faster will the pump achieve its ultimate vacuum. Really big projects require a big pump. The two models EC offers are actually good compromises, from the pictures I have seen I assume that they are both dual stage pumps. The small one will work for most applications, the bigger one is only necessary if you are in a hurry degassing fast resins or work on really big projects.
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What is the advantage of 2 stage rather than single stage, and is there a minimum spec we should look for?
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ajb100 (05/05/2014)
My pump is a cheap one off eBay which came from Germany, and it looks identical to many higher priced units.

I've been using it a couple years now and it's never missed a beat. Change the oil in it pretty regularly, especially if I've had leaky bags as the oil seem to emulsify.


Same here..... I got one from Germany too and it is quite and works brilliantly.. I have also have an Easy Composites pump which I got through another supplier in the UK and had to swap that after about 9 months. Both of those were not that quiet. But the eBay pump is almost silent and the one I use daily for de-bulking as well as when curing. I leave it running up to 18 hours per day too... The second easy composites pump has been good but too loud for me to use all the time so leave it plumbed into my oven and only use it for over night cures. 
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My pump is a cheap one off eBay which came from Germany, and it looks identical to many higher priced units.

I've been using it a couple years now and it's never missed a beat. Change the oil in it pretty regularly, especially if I've had leaky bags as the oil seem to emulsify.
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