pre preg , resin not covering whole part "help please"


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Ok my friend , ill give it a shot makes sense.....cheers
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So a single layer of Easy Preg surface layer with no backing?  If so you may find that is causing your problem.  I've tried knocking up single layer parts and it seems there isn't quite enough resin so you get either pinholes or it looks like the resin surface layer seperates from the carbon slightly.  Add the backing layer and there seems to be enough resin to stop this happening.

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Hi Warren I'm the chap that went outside to look at your bonnet on your car in the car park if you can remember. ..... anyways as you can see the predicament I'm in with my recent post"...The pre preg I'm useing is the easypreg surface layer..." please mate with your wealth of knowledge could you advise
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You don't mention which pre-preg you are using our Easy-Preg Surface layer or normal Vari-preg?

With normal pre-preg it is very hard to get a very good cosmetic finish out of autoclave.

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When using prepreg you typically use a non perforated release film so it doesn't bleed the resin out of the fabric.

The slow ramp rate and dwell periods are pretty important if you want a decent finish, the 1st lower temperature dwell period allows the resin to reduce in viscosity so it flows but doesn't cure then the higher temperature does the curing.

Ideally you also need to control the cooling period too so it doesn't distort, but normally you can just leave it in the oven until it's reached close to room temp.
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Thanks my friend for advice, yes I'm going to try putting it back up to the ten hours but slow the whole ramp time down and even it out amongst the ten hours ....thanks
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Hi my friend thanks for your reply it is very welcome , I'm going to try and control the ramping via a pid temperature controler' when ive figured out to use it...lol but as for your other advice about the vacume and degassing solvents" I do fortunetly have full vacume all through the cure process but I'm not sure what u mean about the solvents,  anymore info would be appreciated. ...
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http://www.talkcomposites.com/Uploads/Images/54b5f568-8f31-4d98-bf42-dc29.jpgHi this is the sursurface of the the mold which  is constructed useing the uni mold system and seems to have a a good finish , I also had thoughts that because having full vacume all way through the curing cycle that the vacume could be pulling the resin off the part before being able to set....?
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Hi my friend thankyou for your reply which is very welcome ,
What you're saying about the conventional oven is making sense ' I'm looking into how quick the oven heats up and to see if I can control it more accurately. 
I have no problems with full vacume and the bag is holding full vacume all the way through the process. 
I have come up  with an idea of trying to digitally  to control  with a pid temperature controler to get it more accurate .
Because as you say it seems about ramping the temperature slower and steadily " I thank you very much for your advice which very valued and will post back on the site of how it goes. 
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as above, are you leaving your vacuum on? 
You need to keep the pump running for better results.
As well do you have a perfect sealed bag? 
Without a well sealed bag you dont even have to start the curing because you'll keep getting bad results.
How is the surface of your mould? 

as for the curing cycle try following: 3hours 65°C, 2hours 85°C, 2hours 105 °C, 1hour 115°C.
as above the change between temperatures should be slow and steady, if you are working with a kitchen oven this will be 
more difficult

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