Can I make this? (Carbon/Aramid, PrePreg, Inflatable Bladder, Aluminum Inserts)


Can I make this? (Carbon/Aramid, PrePreg, Inflatable Bladder, Aluminum Inserts)
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iso9001
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I have years of working with fiber glass chop (unfortunuately as chop is the worst substance known to man!). Recently have been working on a project where I have need for a lightweight iregular shaped tube, thought maybe carbon would be a good choice. It doesn't need to be exceptionally strong, or exceptionally pretty as it'll be painted. Reasonable strength and lightweight are the goals. (The picture attached is just a mockup, I haven't looked for unmachinable features, proper tangency or areas I may need draft)

1. See pic. Is there any reason a shape like this can not be made using a positive pressure inflatable bladder and two female mold (mould?) halves? Seems I can lay up both havles, alternate the wet-seal top and bottom, insert the bladder, and bake.

2. I see a lot of people (airplane builders mostly) use custom shaped bladders made from garbage bags. Bike builders often use bike tubes. Some people recommend party balloons. Latex, silicon, etc. I've been reading that 10-20psi should be plenty... Do I need a custom shaped balloon? Benifit from one? Get by fine without?

3. Pre-Preg sure does seem a lot less messy. Is there any reason that would not be ideal for this?

4. I can easily cut the female moulds on a CNC, but it's router so I'm limited to wood, ren plank, foams, plastics, etc. Anything but metal. Issue in terms of positive pressure or curing?

5. Not shown in the picture that I have four .75" x 4" aluminum strips that need to be placed on the top/sides/bottom. I haven't looked into how to attach these yet. Molding in seems like it would be ideal as the molds are CNC cut I can assure excellent placement. I saw a lot of warnings about combining aluminum and carbon but mostly when there is electricity evolved. This tube is part of an aluminum and steel assembly that is far removed from electricity. Is corrosion still a concern?

6. How concerned should I be that I've never worked with carbon and am considering this project?

Any direction would be more than appreciated!http://s2.postimg.org/umih124tz/Carbon1.png
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iso9001 (22/02/2014)
I don't want to side track my own thread but...

How couldn't this part be made in a vacuum? And what is the difference between evacuation a bag and filling a balloon in terms of constant pressure if I fill the balloon and "tie" it off?


You will need a bladder which does not want to burst out of the ends of the moulds. It has to be flexible so therefore it will expand out on every direction. You risk it popping if it is not contained. Using a vacuum there is no risk of the bag bursting unless it is bridging a large area or you make a mistake bagging it... Yes you can hole the bag like any part but you are more likely to get it to work with a vaccum. You can get quite cheap vacuum pumps as mentioned. plus if you use positive pressure and want to run autoclave pressures to get a good result you would need very strong bolts to hold it together and even quite low positive pressure could be quite dramatic if you get a failure. Pre-pregs need heat to cure and adding heat to a bladder will increase pressure anyway. To get an idea how how much air expands even at quite low temp take an empty plastic bottle and fill it with hot water from your domestic tap.. Put the cap back on tightly and see how much it distorts....

With a vacuum you do not have expansion due to heat and the bag seals against itself so there is no risk of a dramatic failure when it heats up... Even polyester resins exotherm so there is always going to be added heat one way or another... 
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