Liquid PU casting resin over epoxy tooling gel coat for composite mould?


Liquid PU casting resin over epoxy tooling gel coat for composite mould?
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Can I pour liquid polyurethane casting resin directly over an epoxy tooling gel coat as a much faster way to make a split composite mould than by building up layers of fibreglass and resin as normal? It is a small mould so cost is not an issue.
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Good  question . I believe there is a special epoxy product that you pour over your pattern . Maximum depth to pour is around 70 mm , maybe due to exotherming .  I assume you wait a certain time and then pour some more to cover your whole pattern . A small part should be no problem , a big one wll be heavy and expensive I assume Casting polyester resins have been used for smaller parts 
Also a mould that will only be used for a few parts is " plaster of Paris "  , heavy and britle .
To avoid wasting of resin and keeping the weight down you can probably put some polystyrene blocks in between pours . 
I'm still investigating myself , but for a bigger product between 1-2 m long and 400 mm wide and about 100 mm deep .
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I would suspect the bond would not be perfect.  I wouldn't want to be pouring polyurethane over wet/tacky epoxy so you'd have to wait until its hard and although it would stick, wether it would stick well enough to keep the gelcoat intact is another matter.

You've also got exotherm to deal with and differing heat expansion which may ruin the gelcoat.

If you want a quick and easy mould, you would be better off using our Epoxy Mould Making Putty which is designed to work with epoxy tooling gelcoat.

Otherwise stick to the traditional layup of multiple layers of woven glass to build mould thickness.


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Thanks for your reply. I have subsequently found some information from an Australian who has successfully done this using epoxy mixed with aluminium trihydroxide filler over a tooling epoxy. It was suggested that polyurethane casting resin would probably also work but had not been tried. The biggest consideration was avoidance of excessive exotherm due to the deep moulding by using a very slow curing catalyst.

As a follow-up question, what depth of polyurethane can be cast in one pouring before exothermic heat becomes a  problem?
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Many thanks for taking the time to respond. You are correct about exotherm problems - see my reply to Warren. If you are interested there is a detailed thread about what they call "DIY Corian Moulds" on RCGROUPS.COM. See below.

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I believe there is a pourable Epoxy made by Devcon

We are trying to avoid the traditional multiple layers of glass here .

I've had great success with resin and sand , ratio of 1 / 5  , very similar to concrete . A bigger mould I just made came out great , super strong and rigid , but heavy .  Next one I will fill same space with foam , it will be poured in 2-3 stages to avoid build up . 

 
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