Car bonnet making - inner structure


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I agree with the above, would try a cored skin of say 4 layers of cabon, with a nomex core sandwiched between.
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Are you talking the area where the outer skin if folded over the inner to lock them together? If so. you wont actually build your carbon part in this same fashion. You'll mold it just like the EC videos. The flange you make around the bonnet or engine cover in your case for the first have of the molding will look like the outer shell. When you go to mold the inner, that part of the mold will copy this folded over part. Then you bond the 2 halves together after making them out of carbon. Sand any excess resin or bonding agent away at the seam. For extra UV protection I would use auto clear on it spraying the outer and inner. When you sand and polish after that, the seam will be hidden and it will look as if the outer layer if folded over the inner just like the original part. 
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Hanaldo (29/08/2014)
I'm not seeing any reason this couldn't be done using the exact techniques covered in the EC video? Have you watched the full series on making a bonnet? 


I hadn't seen them, but I found them last night and had a look. He does indeed cover bonding the two sections together which was a big help. The only extra complication I'd have is the inward facing flange. If you look at the bonnet he makes, it doesn't have any kind of a flange on the inside, whereas an old Hillman Imp bonnet does. Having said that, I could always trim the flange down a little and hope that there's enough flexibility to be able to stuff the inner structure inside the outer.

Thanks for the tip - lots of good info in those videos.

brainfart (29/08/2014)
The inner structure looks pretty simple, you could cut and sand a few strips of foam material, glue those to the top structure and cover them with two layers or so of carbon. There seems to be plenty of unoccupied area so you can apply several of these foam strips + carbon in different locations which would make the hood very stiff. Cheaper and faster than moulding the whole inner area, at least for a small number of parts.

If you want to make the inner part separately for whatever reason, you can use the outer layer as a template. Apply some adhesive tape or plastic sheet as a release and then build the inner structure on top of that. When everything has cured separate the two and glue it together.

You see there are several ways to do this.


Good ideas. I'd never thought of using foam as a kind of padding material to build onto. That would allow me to effectively create the inner structure inside the outer without the worries of being able to join the two together or get one to fit inside of another.

Thank-you both. That's helped a lot. :-)
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> Is there a good strong way of bonding two carbon parts together?

Peel ply the glue area, remove peel ply prior to bonding and then apply thickened resin. Or one of the specially-made epoxy or polyurethane glues available from EC.

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do away with a separate inner structure and just try to add extra layers into the outer skin in order to put the strength back in.

You could make the whole outer structure thicker with a sandwich core. This is cheaper and more lightweight than adding several more layers of carbon to produce the required stability.

The inner structure looks pretty simple, you could cut and sand a few strips of foam material, glue those to the top structure and cover them with two layers or so of carbon. There seems to be plenty of unoccupied area so you can apply several of these foam strips + carbon in different locations which would make the hood very stiff. Cheaper and faster than moulding the whole inner area, at least for a small number of parts.

If you want to make the inner part separately for whatever reason, you can use the outer layer as a template. Apply some adhesive tape or plastic sheet as a release and then build the inner structure on top of that. When everything has cured separate the two and glue it together.

You see there are several ways to do this.

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I'm not seeing any reason this couldn't be done using the exact techniques covered in the EC video? Have you watched the full series on making a bonnet? 
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Hi,

I'm hoping to get into making carbon fibre parts for my car - luggage compartment lid, engine lid, etc. I've watched Carbon Mods and Easy Composites videos online and they seem to cover all the main stuff really well.

I have a question. I'm going to tackle a bonnet first (technically luggage lid - rear engine car). The outer skin looks fairly straightforward, but the steel original also has an inner structure. See attached pictures, which I stole from the internetz. My question is, how can I make both sections separately but then put them together? The outer skin has an inward facing flange making it hard to shoehorn a structure into it once it's made. I could make the inner structure first and then try to add it to the outer shell as I'm making it and the resin hasn't yet cured. The main problem I face is getting the two parts to gel together. Is there a good strong way of bonding two carbon parts together?

Another alternative would be to do away with a separate inner structure and just try to add extra layers into the outer skin in order to put the strength back in. Only problem then is making the mounting points for the bonnet catch and release mechanism, which are all part of the inner structure.

I don't have any of the kit yet so it's early stages, but as hard as I try I can't wrap my technically incompetent little mind around this one...
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