High Capacity Composites Vacuum Pump - 12CFM pressure question


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Hi all,

I am intending to use this pump together with your 26l vacuum degassing chamber for vacuum resin casting.

I would like to ask about the negative pressure (or underpressure) it can create as I would need at least -0,9 bar (which is about -13 PSI).

The questions:

1. Is the pump able to create this underpressure?

2. Will the degassing chamber withstand this underpressure without any risk of implosion?

Thank you for answers,

Martin
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Our HighCapacity Vacuum Pump is able to achieve the incredibly high 99.995% ultimate vacuum needed for many composites processes including degassing.

Our
VacuumDegassing Chamber - 26L is specifically designed for degassing casting resins so you will have no problems with it imploding.

Warren Penalver
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hi i bought 12CFM / 340 pump but I can not empty my tank to 99,995.
it only goes to 97.4 I can just get water to boil when it is about 20 degrees, pump should not have problems with 0 degrees. if it removes 99,995 would the water  boil when the water is - 56 degrees. is there something I have misunderstood?
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The problem you have when trying to boil water using vacuum pressure, is that the water boiling reduces the pressure as it turns into a gas.  Try with out any water in there and see if it helps.  If it still wont reach the vacuum make sure all the seals are tight ect.

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> hi i bought 12CFM / 340 pump but I can not empty my tank to 99,995.

How do you know? Without a proper measuring device you cannot determine such low pressures.

> it only goes to 97.4 I can just get water to boil when it is about 20 degrees, pump should not have problems with 0 degrees. if it removes
>99,995 would the water  boil when the water is - 56 degrees. is there something I have misunderstood?

The ability to make water boil under vacuum is not a reliable way to determine ultimate vacuum. The boiling water will produce lots of "steam" (vapour = gas) which the pump needs to remove. These vacuum pumps can transport a lot of gas at or near atmospheric pressure, but this number goes down rapidly under higher vacuums. As long as there are volatile components in the vacuum chamber/system it will not reach its ultimate vacuum.
The ultimate vacuum is usually determined by measuring directly on the pump inlet, with nothing connected to it. Another factor are the rubber or plastic hoses, they can be very permeable to gasses at such low pressures.
And finally, yes, the pump might indeed make water evaporate at -50°C, it sublimates but you cannot see this. When combined with a very cold condenser this principle is used for freeze drying, oil pumps are usually used for this purpose and I have no doubt that the EC pump could be used, too.


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Thanks.

I will try to check inlet only with a manometer. Smile
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Hi Kim,

I can't add much to the advice provided by the other posters, whether waterwill boil or not in the degassingchamber is not really a precise indication of the pressure the vacuum pumpis achieving and will having the undesirable side-effect of emulsifying the vacuumpump oil (please take a look at it, if it's appearing 'milky' now then Iwould suggest dropping the oil out and replacing it with new vacuum pump oil).

The vacuum gauge on our degassing chambers is a basic indication of thepressure in the chamber but once you're up to very high levels of vacuum thenchanges in atmospheric pressure (from day to day with changes in the weather)will affect the reading and also so to will 'stiction' of the needle itself(tap the gauge and it will sometimes move a little). If you've bought ourvacuum pump from new then it's highly likely that it will be pulling thestated 99.995%.

It's well worth checking that there are no leeks on the chamber's fittingsthough by doing a simple (and reliable) test: Once the chamber has pulled downfully (wait 2-3 minutes), leave the pump running and try opening and closingthe 1/4 turn valve on the VP4300Vacuum Pump itself. If the sound the pump makes whilst running does notchange at all as you open and close the 1/4 turn valve then the chamber and allits fittings are perfectly sealed. If there is even a minute leak anywhere inthe system then opening and closing the 1/4 valve on the pump will cause thesound that the pump makes to change slightly and you know you have a leak(maybe very small) and so should check the fittings by tightening them orreplacing the PTFE tape.

I hope this helps.

Matt



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