Heat -Ramp-Soak contoller wanted.


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Hi Guys
This is what I am trying to source without any success.
I need a program to run on my laptop that allows me to set many heat -ramp-and soak settings for my prepreg that I use in my AutoClave.
The laptop must output to a controller and thermocouple.
I have looked at the many digital units but do not like the display of any of them. It is like watching a movie through a key hole.
I want to monitor and see the progress all the way through the cycles on the laptop display.
Thanks
Fred
 
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Try http://labjack.com/

I used these when I was at Uni

otherwise I have a CAL 9400 process controller which I think if you get the right one you can output to a logger to see what's been going on
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So you want to control an oven or autoclave with your laptop and log temperature data at the same time, right?

What you are looking for is:
1. hardware to read temperature sensors and at the same time switch the heat (and maybe a few other things like fans, valves etc.) on and off and some kind of software which runs on your computer which allows you to change settings and log the data?

or alternatively

2. a black box which does all that for you, and which can be accessed via a web interface or serial connection for up- and downloading data and settings.

This is industrial territory and usually pretty pricey.

http://www.jumo.de/products/control/electronic/program-controller/703571/jumo-dicon-touch---two-channel-process-and-program-controller-with-paperless-recorder-and-touchscreen-703571.html?parentId=3596

http://www.jumo.de/products/control/electronic/3596/program-controller.html?parentId=

I have worked with this and similar equipment in the past, works fine but isn't cheap!

At the university we used hardware from National Instruments (www.ni.com) which provides the inputs and outputs to the computer, and LabVIEW, a graphical programming language which allows you to produce virtual instrumentation and controllers with a few clicks of your mouse. This is regarded by many to be the industry standard in data acquisition and control, it can literally be used to run an entire chemical plant from a computer. That's what you will find in NASA and CERN laboratories. Unfortunately again very pricey, unless you get their academic discounts or someone else pays for it Smile

http://www.ni.com/labview/

The Labjack hardware seems to be a more affordable alternative to the NI hardware, but I don't know about the software side, seems like you have to write your own or use things like LabVIEW.

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If you aren't scared of tinkering with electronics you can actually make your own controller. I am currently in the process of building exactly what I think you want. I didn't come up with the idea myself, I found several open source projects for fermentation, sous-vide cooking and other PID controllers on the web which I am trying to convert into a suitable controller for a curing oven, and once it works into an autoclave controller. At the moment the temperature sensors only work up to about 110°C, too low for an autoclave. They will eventually need to be replaced with thermocouples or PT100 sensors.
These projects usually employ an Arduino which is a microcontroller board available from 12 to 25€ or a Raspberry Pi, a credit card sized computer running linux and which costs about 35€, or both for more robustness. The Pi computer can either be accessed directly by connecting a monitor, keyboard and mouse to the Pi, or you can access its web interface with a browser on your mobile phone, smart TV, tablet or regular computer to change different settings, PID control parameters, temperature setpoints, ramp rates and dwell times, and download logged data via ethernet or WLAN or USB/serial.

A simple PID controller with LCD which continuously sends measured data to your computer over USB can be built for about 40€, if you want all the functionality and a nice case you will end up paying about 150€ for the controller hardware. The software is free but it might require some changes.

This is the controller I'm currently working on:



I will post more details at a later date.



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Here's one of the more affordable options, it's available from several suppliers, so probably just another rebranded Chinese piece of junk, but at least it comes with 3 years warranty Wink

http://www.omega.co.uk/pptst/CN2300.html
http://www.omega.com/pptst/CN2300.html

Price adds up quickly if you buy all the goodies like logging, USB port for data download, ethernet, configuration software, remote setpoint...
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I'm sure there are some very high tech solutions like above.
But for me, as a true DIY guy Hehe , I was thinking about something like on following link.
http://idevicesinc.com/igrill/ Once I have some budget for some extras, Ill try it out

Matthieu Libeert
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www.mat2composites.com




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If all you want to do is measure the temperature you can get a pretty decent meat thermometer for less than 10 bucks at IKEA. Doesn't have bluetooth though, and its name isn't iKea Wink That's what I used in my first composite post curing styrofoam box heated by a incandescent light bulb and dimmer many years ago.

A simple Arduino-based PID controller with autotuning, LCD display and solid state relay can be built for about 50€. This is three times the price of the cheapest Chinese non-logging PID controller available, the infamous Rex C100 which is pretty popular:
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Temperature-Controller-REX-C100-Thermocouple/dp/B00C97LY4I

But the Arduino can be pimped, with just a few lines additional code it can send measured temperature data continuously to a PC via USB where that data can be logged. Another alternative is storing the measured temperatures directly on SD card.
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What temps/ramp rates/dwells are you looking to run ? And what's the end use of the project ?

What are your moulds made from ?

Unless you have very large complex enclosed Ali moulds you can be fairly variable with everything

Got LBBC clave with thermal head/cooling/Eurotherm controler with pc interface

Full temp control to within .5 deg a minute,vacum vent everything !

BUT-you wont be able to tell the differance if I made you 2 parts and the second was done in our small clave which is manual control with the most simple controller running a couple of large oven type heating elements

Could even do the enclosed Ali moulds in the small clave but it takes more operator input
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I too am curious if there is a PID that can hook to a pc and have a GUI for ease of setting/manipulating the things you want instead of trying to follow this for instructions... http://auberins.com/images/Manual/SYL-2342.pdf   Blink    ... or these instructions...  http://auberins.com/images/Manual/SYLXXXP%20instruction%20manual%201.5.pdf    ..Doze
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I have this one on my oven. Works great for 10 years now.



http://www.brainchild.com.tw/en/2_1752_27962/product/48_x_48_mm_controller_id147723.html




Looks like they have plenty of other options too.




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