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+xHow i do it: 166g Glass filament fabric for the first layer And then alternating between 600g roving fabric and 600g biaxial until the desired thickness is achieved. If you first use putty all like mat suggests, the first lighter cloth should not be necessary. But a medium weight like 280 should be ideal to minimise print through. Everything with "Roving" in it's description should usually be to rough in it's texture. Except rovings itself... Everything with "mat" usually hints that there is some csm content, as far as i know. I advice a standard medium weight glass filament fabric. between 200 and 300g. Hi and Thanks again, lots of new suggestions ?? Glass Filament Fabric?, Roving Fabric ? and Biaxial ?? what does all that mean. On my Mould so far I have put on 2 good coats of Tooling Gel, and just filled all the tight corners with Moulding paste, and 6 layers of 300Gm Powder GSM , and this afternoon I have ordered a 25 Mtr Roll of 280 GSM Woven Glass cloth, so will that do the trick, again Thanks for all your help I will get there eventually, Regards DM
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Furkan Yahsi
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+x+xHow i do it: 166g Glass filament fabric for the first layer And then alternating between 600g roving fabric and 600g biaxial until the desired thickness is achieved. If you first use putty all like mat suggests, the first lighter cloth should not be necessary. But a medium weight like 280 should be ideal to minimise print through. Everything with "Roving" in it's description should usually be to rough in it's texture. Except rovings itself... Everything with "mat" usually hints that there is some csm content, as far as i know. I advice a standard medium weight glass filament fabric. between 200 and 300g. Hi and Thanks again, lots of new suggestions ?? Glass Filament Fabric?, Roving Fabric ? and Biaxial ?? what does all that mean. On my Mould so far I have put on 2 good coats of Tooling Gel, and just filled all the tight corners with Moulding paste, and 6 layers of 300Gm Powder GSM , and this afternoon I have ordered a 25 Mtr Roll of 280 GSM Woven Glass cloth, so will that do the trick, again Thanks for all your help I will get there eventually, Regards DM Hey eddie! Any updates on airbox?
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Eddie Walsh
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+x+x+xHow i do it: 166g Glass filament fabric for the first layer And then alternating between 600g roving fabric and 600g biaxial until the desired thickness is achieved. If you first use putty all like mat suggests, the first lighter cloth should not be necessary. But a medium weight like 280 should be ideal to minimise print through. Everything with "Roving" in it's description should usually be to rough in it's texture. Except rovings itself... Everything with "mat" usually hints that there is some csm content, as far as i know. I advice a standard medium weight glass filament fabric. between 200 and 300g. Hi and Thanks again, lots of new suggestions ?? Glass Filament Fabric?, Roving Fabric ? and Biaxial ?? what does all that mean. On my Mould so far I have put on 2 good coats of Tooling Gel, and just filled all the tight corners with Moulding paste, and 6 layers of 300Gm Powder GSM , and this afternoon I have ordered a 25 Mtr Roll of 280 GSM Woven Glass cloth, so will that do the trick, again Thanks for all your help I will get there eventually, Regards DM Hey eddie! Any updates on airbox? Hi, no very disappointing results, the advice I got on here was now helpfull at all as I first tried the Powderbound mat which was an absolute nightmare to work with just would not sit down and was full of air pockets which took hours of rolling to try and get rid of and so never looked perfect so I am sure if I tried to cure in an oven it would just explode, so really a waste of nearly £1k materials, so now I am looking for a Pro to make it for me, live and learn, Regards DM
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oekmont
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Well, hanaldo and me both tried convincing you not to use powder bound mat.
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Eddie Walsh
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+xWell, hanaldo and me both tried convincing you not to use powder bound mat. Yes Thanks, Everyone advised after I had bought it and had already tried it ??, so why would ( Mat Supposedly a Staff Expert ??) on here or anyone else suggest using Powderbound ?? I suppose if you want to F##k someone over that is one way to do it, certainly got me, Regards DM
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Hanaldo
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Jesus, some people just can't deal with life can they? Grow up.
Matt gave you advice in good faith. His advice was excellent advice, he just could not account for your skill or experience level. You have to realise that there is a learning curve with the project you took on. Don't think you are special for having wasted money on materials to get a bad result, virtually every single person on here has done the same thing - that's how learning is done. You can't expect to just turn up at a supply store, demand to know how to do something, spend a bit of money, and then take it personally when it doesnt work because YOU don't know what you are doing. f*** sake, this sort of response is exactly why most composite suppliers dont like to offer any sort of advice at all, because at least then that forces people to go out and do some work to try and learn.
Matt and Paul and Rich and Warren and everyone else at Easy Composites are game changers for what they have brought to this industry in terms of making projects like this achievable, and their customer service should set the standard for anyone running a business.
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Eddie Walsh
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+xJesus, some people just can't deal with life can they? Grow up. Matt gave you advice in good faith. His advice was excellent advice, he just could not account for your skill or experience level. You have to realise that there is a learning curve with the project you took on. Don't think you are special for having wasted money on materials to get a bad result, virtually every single person on here has done the same thing - that's how learning is done. You can't expect to just turn up at a supply store, demand to know how to do something, spend a bit of money, and then take it personally when it doesnt work because YOU don't know what you are doing. f*** sake, this sort of response is exactly why most composite suppliers dont like to offer any sort of advice at all, because at least then that forces people to go out and do some work to try and learn. Matt and Paul and Rich and Warren and everyone else at Easy Composites are game changers for what they have brought to this industry in terms of making projects like this achievable, and their customer service should set the standard for anyone running a business. When an EXPERT says to use a particular item like Powderbound, he should have also said it was nightmare to roll out and get it to sit down, so I am sure he never had even tried it , have you tried it ?? if you had you would never tell anyone especially some on who was a beginner at trying some Carbon fiber molds, who is KISSING ass now, Regards DM
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Hanaldo
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Yes I have tried it, which is why I advised you against it. However, I also know how to use it because I didn't spit the dummy when my first attempt with it didn't work, so I know exactly why Matt would recommend it to you - it does work when you get the feel for how it behaves. I have a full roll of it in stock in my workshop because it can be very useful for many applications.
From the very start, everyone has been telling you that this was an ambitious first project. Even with easier to use materials, this was an ambitious project for someone who doesn't know what they are doing. Most people might take that on board and have a play with the materials they've got on something smaller and easier so that they don't waste £1000 of materials, but you were stubborn and you got bitten. Just deal with that and move on, dont attack the people that tried to help you.
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I did advice you against using powder bound mat. I did advice you to make a small test to be shure that your mat is powder bound. I did advice you to make small tests first with every new materials. And I advice everyone here to start as easy as you can. And the data sheet of the tooling gelcoat told you not to use it at 15°. After that, I told you not to keep going and waste additional material on this hopeless attempt. You did it anyway. And we changed your mind not to destroy your project with vacuum bagging. I guess this was the only time you took our advice. I really can't see how this failed due to bad advice. In my eyes it failed because of rushed action and stubbornness.
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Eddie Walsh
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+xI did advice you against using powder bound mat. I did advice you to make a small test to be shure that your mat is powder bound. I did advice you to make small tests first with every new materials. And I advice everyone here to start as easy as you can. And the data sheet of the tooling gelcoat told you not to use it at 15°. After that, I told you not to keep going and waste additional material on this hopeless attempt. You did it anyway. And we changed your mind not to destroy your project with vacuum bagging. I guess this was the only time you took our advice. I really can't see how this failed due to bad advice. In my eyes it failed because of rushed action and stubbornness. Hi Oak & Han, no one advised not to use Powderbound before ?? as if they had I would have never even tried it ? as I would trust the experts ??, everyone advised afterwards, and why would Mat advise anyone to use it if it was so problematic ?? beyond me, again Thanks for all your good advice, we live and learn, Regards DM
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