Space Frame Chassis


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Nick Igoe
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I have actually built a carbon framed Caterham chassis which we installed a 300 HP Cosworth race engine into, this was designed by an extremely competent team of people and took a few years from design to completion. I forget the numbers now but we did put it on the test track and it was scary quick with an incredibly stiff chassis. I certainly do not recommend doing this at home and certainly not putting it on the road and I think the law will require the car to have an IVA test should you wish to make it road legal again.

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Thank you for your answers!  I don't want to hijack a thread, so feel free to keep me in line.

"In most cases its easy to overengineer such things with some simple knowledge and experience, and with lightweight composites that is usually fine and still achieves what the guy wants. "  Where might I go for some simple knowledge?  I'm willing to over-engineer, and willing to have extra weight as a trade-off.  I've built machines and equipment using principles of over-engineering based on charts of structural steel strength.  And not to worry, if I am not sure of safety and strength, I'm not going to build it. A cool looking car is not worth a horrible accident.

Thanks again!
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You need to do some research. Find a couple of books on compsites and spend a few long nights to get the basic understanding.  You will probably want to run your designs past an engineer with carbon chassis experience.

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I work with a group of school children who compete in an electric kart competition run by an educational charity called Greenpower.
http://www.greenpower.co.uk/
Our school uses the standard steel framed 'kit' cart http://gpshop.theuniprogroup.com/index.php/catalog/product/view/id/230/s/formula-24-kit-car/ which is very heavy compared to other school's carts made of aluminium or carbon fibre.
 
In order to improve our performance we need to replace our heavy frame with something lighter, but expense is an issue as the children (& parents) have to fund it.
We are investigating the possibility of making a space frame carbon fibre chassis to the same dimensions as the existing frame. Ideally we would then be able to swap over all the other components without needing to re-engineer the whole cart.
We've been advised that 2mm wall thickness carbon fibre tube joined using bonded-in aluminium 'T',  'L' etc nodes would be a good solution.
 
What do people think? Can anyone recommend a supplier of off the shelf connectors to join the cf tube?
Many Thanks for your help.
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I would be careful about using carbon tubes.  certainly do NOT just replace a metal tube structure with a similar carbon tube structure as the material differences are significant and would not perform in the same way.

Not saying carbon tubes might not have a place in your build, they may well do, but it has got to be carefully planned and designed to take advantage of the differing properties between steel and carbon.

Carbon tubes would certainly perform differently in a crash for example.  

On competitions like formula student, the teams wishing to use materials other than the generic technical spec, have to perform tests and calculations to prove "structural equivilency" both from an engineering perspective (they are doing it to learn, not just to win) as well as safety reasons.

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maurice (17/08/2013)
If I am out out of line, let me know, this is my first post.  This topic touched on the reason I started reading up on CF and composites.  Background, I am 54, repair equipment as full time job, can fix or build almost anything, except I have NOT done auto body work.  I would like to build a car, originally was thinking of making it traditional style with sheet metal, but have been interested in CF light weight and strength. 

Is it possible for a newbie to learn enough about the engineering qualities mentioned in this thread to make a reasonable safe car?  Either by using a donar car/truck frame or by making a unibody or monocoque? What sources or books or websites might I go to?  I know and respect the years of university training engineers must learn. 

Thanks!
In poland we have something called formula student, the use small engine with compressor and cf panels with steel tube frame, to build serious racing car. And this year my friend's team decided to build a monocoque frame, but the have a guy with science degree in advanced composites, especially monocoque construction. The are dping everything "on the backyard " with small amount of money. So it is possible but very complex indeed 
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